If you’re interested in current conversations and debates around psychiatric drugs, check out Rachel Aviv’s recent piece in The New Yorker about the difficulties of coming off psychiatric medication, as well as Robert Whitaker’s critique of that same piece over at Mad in America. SANDY: Right. MEREDITH: What is helping me today? And how long have you been a diagnosed schizophrenic? As she slept, Akopian watched in flight TV only to disturbed when her patient unexpectedly woke up. The, you know — in a — in a character like Rebecca, it does seem like there's — there's such an opportunity here that, you know, she is — she is normalizing, you know, as you said, that — that experience of like, yeah, she's got a psychiatric history, she's got diagnoses, she's on medication, and she is a full person, you know. There's this — this conflation of sort of low ability and having a psychiatric diagnosis. SANDY: — a schizophrenic. And yet other things in the show it seems like they are really trying to say, like: “Hey this is — this is real. Oh and, by the way, also went to Harvard (laughs). Found inside – Page 476Jackie and Jane Sicole have been released from the Lawrence Psychiatric Institute a bit early by Dr. Lawrence . ... The psychiatrist becomes aware that his girlfriend's ex - husband is a killer and perhaps a very crazy ... It's like necessarily elided if you're gonna have a tap dance number where you're singing the generic names of antidepressant medications. She unexpectedly ran into Rebecca when she boarded a plane for a trip she was going on. Penthouse. I mean, there — there are inherent flaws in the system, too. She was more a representation of some of our, you know, deeper insecurities and some of our deeper feelings when we're in these situations, right? And I feel like so many people that I grew up with just are — they’re, you know, that's just not constitutionally how I feel about, you know, work, right? Remember? What did she see? Found insideIntroduces the theory of adult attachment as an advanced relationship science that can enable individuals to find and sustain love, offering insight into the roles of genetics and early family life in how people approach relationships. Olivia Kaspen has just discovered that her ex-boyfriend, Caleb Drake, has lost his memory. We still haven't — we still haven't quite pegged down the date yet. MEREDITH: One of the things that I would say is that, you know, it is one of the limitations of this show that it's so — it's so close to the Rebecca character's point of view, right? Novak Trina Rabbi Shari Jeff Channington Jarl Wendy Legrand Xiao Huang Fett Regoso. The next day Akopian found Rebecca crawling through the doggy door of her house as she was trying to get to a prescription pad on her kitchen window sill. And today I'm talking about a show that had 157 original musical theater numbers, including one that's just a dude singin’ about how much he likes apples: Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. SANDY: I think in terms of realism — to what extent is this show realism? . I mean, you know, Paula is kind of someone who Rebecca meets — a colleague at work who really, like — she's like: “This is the most romantic thing I've ever heard.” And she just decides to go completely in on helping Rebecca make the dream of Josh come true. But "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" wasn't kidding about the crazy bit. This "Dream Ghost" also showed Rebecca how she'd been ignoring her love of music because of a college fling gone bad. Akopian, "I'm So Happy That Josh Is So Happy!". She is also the founding executive editor of them., Condé Nast’s LGBTQ+ digital platform, where she is currently contributing editor. For more of Meredith’s writing, head here. Hello Rebecca, how are we feeling today? And there is so, so much to talk about here. It strikes me that — so another kind of, for me, very loud falsehood in this show is to do with the benevolence of antidepressants. I may have blackmailed some people in your life for information. This book is an apolitical exploration of the misperceptions and realities that attend gun violence and mental illness. So it becomes, then, really difficult for the show to telescope out, right, in that sense. One that typically — I mean, it's one of those diagnoses that's disproportionately given to a certain population: white women. Daniel told her they would discuss it at length once she attended the group therapy session her but she decided to skip and research the condition herself despite his warnings. So people are afraid of having, you know, people in those types of situations depend on them in a way that they can’t, you know — in the way that — in the — in a way that they can't ultimately support in the long run, right? Why Is Josh's Ex-Girlfriend Eating Carbs? REBECCA BUNCH: (spoken) What? Well I — one of the things that I was gonna say was that I did not perceive the show as being about mental illness at all. You know, like there are all of these unusual aspects of this series, like this isn't actually what happens in, you know, like, in life, right? MEREDITH: Oh, right, yeah. And it seemed like such a telling moment that the show — the show seemed to agree, like, “Yup, you can't have a schizophrenic witness,” you know? Rebecca actually suggested that Josh, whom she recently started dating, may not be the happiness she was looking for. And so one thing that you'd pointed out was this show is [20:00] unusual in showing someone who's got psychiatric diagnoses and history and who's also highly intelligent. Akopian was on a plane trip to New York when she found herself seated next to Rebecca. Like, Rebecca doesn't get 5150’d. Akopian sat them both down in her office and told Rebbecca she could have them arrested for breaking and entering. Well, okay, but [5:00] Lea Salonga is — has been my childhood, you know, just sort of the the singer that I followed, you know, throughout my life. Revised and updated, the classic guide to understanding borderline personality disorder includes the latest research on the neurobiological, genetic and developmental roots of the disorder as well as connections with substance abuse, PTSD, ... MEREDITH: And I feel like... Well, I think for me it's, you know, like, as a non-expert, right, like, there may be inherent biological factors that are beyond environmental control around people's depression, right? Up until the end, fans were biting their nails and debating which of her three love interests the main character Rebecca would end up with. And like, I was thinking a lot about how Rebecca's diagnosis isn't depression, you know? MEREDITH: Yeah. "The Sexy Getting Ready Song" is one of the best examples, highlighting the objectively insane things that women do to pretty themselves for men. I'm gonna actually say my therapist. EPISODE 2 - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. PAULA: I know, I know. When, in the last season, Rebecca got a definitive label from her psychiatrist, during a joyful, anxious number called "A . [45:00], MEREDITH: Yeah. MEREDITH: Exactly. Now a major motion picture starring Sigourney Weaver and Margaret Qualley After leaving graduate school to pursue her dream of becoming a poet, Joanna Rakoff takes a job as assistant to the storied literary agent for J. D. Salinger. Based on exhaustive research culled from old patient medical records, historical accounts, and government documents, this haunting book raises important questions about our obligations to the mad, what it means to be "insane," and what we ... Theme music by Lee Mengistu and Ruthie Williams. The new edition of this popular handbook has been thoroughly updated to include the latest data concerning treatment of first-episode patients. In 2017, Dr. Daniel Shin had a new patient named Rebecca Bunch, an attorney at a local law firm. So the series follows her as she has uprooted her life and plopped down in West Covina, California, and spends a lot of time and energy through the beginning of the series pretending like she didn't move there to be with Josh —. PAULA: What you did for love — for true love — the sacrifices, the money that you walked away from that you —. Such a multi-cultural psychiatric approach has never been taken before for this topic. This discourse is the foundation for the primary goal of this book: to develop the tools needed to improve clinical outcomes for patients. MEREDITH: Close, close. But there seems to be this — and, you know, the — the creator of the show, Rachel Bloom, has talked about being on antidepressants herself, and about the difference that they've made in her life. MEREDITH: One of the really fascinating things is that when Rebecca is finally, you know — when it's finally revealed that she has this borderline personality disorder diagnosis, you know, she has this entire history of mental illness. I have a weird head. And not as in, short for psychiatrist. SANDY: Hey, let me save you a Google. And it's like a game changer for Rebecca's case. She arrived excited to be told what her new diagnosis was but Daniel had a few caveats before telling her. So shout-out to my therapist. MEREDITH: Yeah. They don't depend on their neighbors. SANDY: There was a phrase you brought up initially when we are talking about talking about Crazy Ex-Girlfriend which was “high-functioning.” And I wondered if we could talk a little bit about that. The breakout novel from the New York Times bestselling author of The Orphan Collector, What She Left Behind weaves together riveting stories of past and present, exploring the strength of women in two different times as they face adversity ... SANDY: And we need to have these same actors on the show week after week, which a lot of the plot on this series felt like they were just justifying keeping these actors on staff, but yeah. And —. He told her his research was thorough but she needed to curb her enthusiasm as no diagnosis was perfect. My Mom, Greg's Mom and Josh's Sweet Dance Moves! I definitely, you know, like I have had — a lot of the ways in which I've discovered aspects of myself have been through romantic relationships, in part because, you know — because I was estranged from both of my parents, and so I didn't have a strong family structure. MEREDITH: — because like one of my best friends used to joke all the time that I didn't have a vice, and that I needed to find a vice because, you know — because, like — because I would not be, like, a full person if I didn't have a vice. Or it's a matter of living in a society where it's not an acceptable excuse to take half a day off work because your friend who is not a direct family member is in trouble, right? Like she — this — her relationship with Doctor Akopian, for example, she's — she, you know — she — she shows up intermittently, she walks out in the middle of her sessions all the time. SANDY: That’s where we’re starting. I do remember, you know, like, I did go through — my first year — I went to grad school at Cornell, and my first year I went through this like winter depressive episode in which, you know — in which a psychiatrist actually did prescribe me antidepressants, until I was just like, “Do you think that it might have to do with the fact that I grew up in the Philippines and, you know, with a lot of sun?” And then she was just like, “Oh, that makes sense.” So then I got — I got a sun lamp, and — and I didn't need to take the antidepressants anymore after that. Since they had a long flight ahead Rebecca finally agreed to begin therapy. I mean, what are the odds? But I just want to Rebecca's love story to — to work out. Well, you know, it's just like, “Oh art, art — “. ENSEMBLE: (sung) She's the crazy ex-girlfriend! In this collection, including two never-before-published essays, Nussbaum writes about her passion for television, beginning with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the show that set her on a fresh intellectual path. [25:00] The people in her life — both romantic and friendly — you know, continue to support her. And I'm so excited to have my good friend joining me for this chat. “Compelling…A bracing work of art and a loving tribute” (Los Angeles Times), this propulsive, stunning book illuminates the experience of living with schizophrenia like never before. REBECCA: (spoken) The situation’s a lot more nuanced than that. Rebecca had a vivid dream where Akopian was a spiritual guide trying to impart some sage wisdom (♫ Dream Ghost ♫). And that is not, you know, that's just not the way that I experience the world in America. The next novel of psychological suspense and obsession from the authors of the blockbuster bestseller The Wife Between Us Seeking women ages 18–32 to participate in a study on ethics and morality. He gave you a bandaid not a cure. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend's" sister show "Jane the Virgin" kept its title even after its protagonist lost her viriginity, but after the cold open of each episode, graphics will cross out the . Like when you've got the plotline with Bert, initially, and he’s a star witness for Rebecca. They don't form close friendships with their neighbors in part because — and, you know, like and I'm saying this as somebody who is not close to my neighbors, right — that there is this sort of sense that the responsibility that that implies is a bigger responsibility than it is in a Filipino context, because in a Filipino context everybody is friends with — with their neighbors, right? (chuckles) I’ve said that a million times. What's helping you today, Meredith? That in order — that in order for you to — that in one sense — in some sense, like one cultural privilege is your way of counteracting the stigma of having the mental illness, right? So, you know — so I guess from my vantage point, you know, like looking at that scene, right, I was looking at it, you know, from — as a scene that's expressed through Rebecca's point of view. Both she and Rebecca called the stewardess over to change seats but were told the flight was completely sold out. MEREDITH: Right. Of course, this is still a TV show, we need — we need tension, we need drama. Lucas Davenport risks his sanity in the #1 New York Times bestselling series. Our Social Media and Community Manager is Annie Mok. Bevu Bella is a queer woman living with depression, anxiety, and what she believes to be low-grade BPD, although doctors can't decide on . MEREDITH: Thank you, Sandy. Like, for some reason that's — that's my role now in a lot of relationships. And like, yeah, a lot of Americans are on antidepressants, and other psychiatric medications, but especially anti-anxiety, antidepressant medications — as they're marketed, you know, like those are phrases that come from marketing. Are you gonna kill me? MEREDITH: Oh yeah, of course. MEREDITH: Right? DR. AKOPIAN: (spoken) Take two with or without a meal. SANDY: In — in the fourth season she's stalking Dr. Akopian, and like showing up in line at the cafe, or showing up at the wine bar and asking her questions. The end.” You know? Akopian pointedly asked Rebecca if she heard anything she said. If you haven’t already, you should absolutely pick up a copy from your local bookstore or public library. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend (TV Series 2015-2019) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Neurotic lawyer Rebecca bumps into her high school boyfriend on the street and pursues him across the country on a misguided quest for true love. SANDY: Yeah, 2020 the biggest event is going to be your memoir Fairest (both laugh). But I don’t like to talk about it ‘cause people get weird. My book, A Kind of Mirraculas Paradise: A True Story About Schizophrenia, is out now in paperback. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. My method would be to do some digging and figure out what's really going on inside your mind...and then we discuss the appropriate medications. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend won't last forever (series co-creator Aline Brosh McKenna has hinted that the next season will be its last). 'We'..sorry that's lame Doctor talk. SANDY: They are, you know, and — and that's where all this stuff gets really tricky. MEREDITH: I did — I did not, yeah, like I did not catch that at all. (door slams) Well, that was a good eight minutes. TRENT: Rebecca Bunch, I have loved you since the moment that I saw you freshman year in the cafeteria. They, you know — like not that many Americans have that, right? SANDY: And they're saying the generic names of antidepressants, and they're like, “Our lawyers wouldn't let us say the real names,” and I'm like, that's ‘cause you'd literally be advertising pharmaceuticals on your show. But neuroscience cannot complete the entire puzzle, and in this fascinating guide, Beitman provides the missing piece. You know, like the responsibility and the duty to take care of your friends is really magnified in an American context because there’s no underlying sense of — of, like, large-scale community responsibility, right? The musical sitcom Crazy Ex-Girlfriend just finished its fourth and final season. Meredith Talusan (she/they) is an award-winning author and journalist who has written for The Guardian, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Nation, WIRED, SELF, Condé Nast Traveler among many other publications, and has contributed to several essay collections. I find that, you know, like I do find that super fascinating. SANDY: Mental illness is perhaps the biggest thing that this show is about. MEREDITH: Yeah. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" wants its viewers to know that this is not the case. My website is mtalusan.com, T-A-L-U-S-A-N dot com, where you can sign up for my email list. Her debut memoir, Fairest, is forthcoming from Viking / Penguin Random House. Like it's a matter of logistics. Exactly. I think there's — there's something so good and powerful in that precisely because, like, you know — like, everyone whispers to me what medications they're on, and, like, what member of their family has been involuntarily committed recently, or whatever. And that there are — and that this society does, to some extent, you know, view it as acceptable when — when certain actions are performed in the, you know — in the context of romance, even though, you know — even though of course, you know, the crazy ex-girlfriend is itself, right, a trope. I'm a writer and an author of A Kind of Mirraculas Paradise: A True Story About Schizophrenia. I'm your host, Sandy Allen. They're all songs that, you know, that are premised on, like: “If you don't love me, I would die,” you know. This was on a semi-regular basis and . You're brave. We will be analyzing and discussing pop culture on this show, including sometimes matters related to plot. Rebecca, wait! It wasn’t something that — but I wasn't on the side of society when it came to — when it came to that, you know, I completely understood her —. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. Well, because the man still has agency, right, in this way that, you know, the woman doesn't quite, you know — is never as logical, like — is never — is never acting according to what is actually, you know, like, what actually makes sense, right? When Will Josh and His Friend Leave Me Alone? — Dr.Akopian, "I'm So Happy that Josh is So Happy! Rebecca agreed and started from the beginning telling Akopian how she was concieved on a cruise ship ("Josh is Going to Hawaii!"). Rebecca refused only to return sometime later with her friend Heather Davis trying to break into Akopian's home. Rebecca accepted the deal but was not good on her word and kept cancelling appointments. And so — and — and I'm aware that whenever I talk about family members, that I, you know — that I de facto become associated with the people in my family, right? And — a that as a result, it also pushes her to be, you know, as excellent as possible in order to sort of counteract that, you know — that particular stigmatization. Rebecca, your doctor in New York is a quack. I'm going to the Beach with Josh and His Friends! You know, she's an attorney, she's high-functioning. I think it's harder to tell a story that doesn't end up with: “And then she found the right med. Listen to Sandy read and discuss “Treehouse Song,” their essay about being in mad, unrequited love (and almost losing an eye), on this episode of Andrea Silenzi’s podcast Why Oh Why? Just because Lea Salonga, you know, has been known for being, you know, for — for transitioning from ingénue roles to kind mother roles, right? REBECCA: (pause) That way I don’t have to talk about it. It's, you know — like it's been a really fascinating experience for me watching that turn, you know, just because I feel like in terms of the relationships in my life, right? Please! After she left, Akopian questioned if taking Rebecca's money was ethical but reminded herself she was saving up for a kayak. She's not be voluntarily medicated at any point, except by her mother, briefly. MEREDITH: Right. She isn’t — she isn't as much — or at least for me, she went as — she wasn't as much a representation of a person as she exists in life, right? In Cultish, Montell argues that the key to manufacturing intense ideology, community, and us/them attitudes all comes down to language. And, you know, when they're saying something like, “It's so not a big deal,” I'm like, you know, there's all this research, for example right now, about addictiveness and antidepressants and the extreme difficulty that so many people have getting off of medication safely. So I feel like from a, you know, like pretty much from the time that I started dating, I — I was much more — romantic relationships had more meaning for me than it did people who, you know — who come from nuclear families or have family support. Like there isn't that — that other voice here, too. 00:00 00:00. Unfortunately before they could begin discussing her problems further Josh Chan barged into the office. And there's a big number that Dr. Akopian sings that's like…, ENSEMBLE: (sung) Antidepressants are so not a big deal / Big whoop, you’re on an antidepressant…. We’ll chat again in three weeks. Can you tell the listeners real quick where they could read your work or, you know — they can't yet pre-order your book, but, you know, where — where can they learn more about you? A story of the fragility of the mind, and the tenacity of the human spirit, My Lovely Wife in the Psych Ward is, above all, a love story that raises profound questions: How do we care for the people we love? What and who do we live for? So if you are very concerned about not having the plot of Crazy Ex-Girlfriend spoiled, I encourage you to finish bingeing the series — it's on Netflix and Amazon and I'm sure other places — before listening to this podcast episode. MEREDITH TALUSAN: I feel like the burden — ”burden” is a difficult word. And so often when you have folks who are ending up with severe mental illness diagnoses, something that is — is common, is people have become isolated from others, whether because of that experience of being diagnosis, you know — diagnosed and hospitalized or treatment or whatever else, but also because of whatever's happened before in terms of, you know, the traumas someone has experienced in their life, or, you know, the oppression that they've had to endure in the — in the big old mean society that we’re all stuck in here. And some of my favorite songs are, you know, like are various — various interpretations of the genre. When Rebecca ignored her comment and left Akopian started chanting about the kayak ("All Signs Point to Josh...Or is it Josh's Friend?"). Found inside – Page 45“Oh my God, that's Samaira Mohan. You had met her when I was dating her 7 years ago. I broke up with her because of her crazy ways.” “She was a quack psychiatrist, isn't it? Or was it some other ex-girlfriend of yours? SANDY: Did you have a single favorite single song? ‘Cause that's not the case for so many people, and these medications can change over time in terms of whether people find them helpful. You must read this book.”—Susan Cain, New York Times best-selling author of Quiet From a New York Times best-selling author, psychotherapist, and national advice columnist, a hilarious, thought-provoking, and surprising new book that ... SANDY: And also you love musicals! And so — and so I do — I sense some of that anxiety myself. Oh, and also, you know, like I’m a first-generation immigrant, so even though I have extended family, you know, they didn't really understand what was going on with my life. In other words, they can be just as “crazy” as their patients. Crazy is the story of how one mental health professional deals with his own personal problems and those of the people he treats. Found insideOffering in-depth profiles of a wide variety of bands and performers, this revealing, candid look at the world of heavy metal music draws on personal interviews and anecdotes to chronicle the outrageous personalities of heavy metal, ... I'm excited, too. You know, it's in the title, it's — the title being Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is even commented upon in the initial theme song for the show. Why Is Josh's Ex-Girlfriend Eating Carbs? I guess you don’t care what I think. I'm one of the founding editors of them., which is Condé Nast’s LGBTQ+ platform. Society only values you to the degree to which you can, you know, fit into its mold of somebody who, you know — somebody who in some way is productive, or who in some way has something to contribute. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" received a lot of praise from borderline personality disorder (BPD) community for destigmatizing the condition and Rebecca's diagnosis. It's one of the things that's been helping me today. You know, like Paula gets caught up in all kinds of, like, literally criminal actions. Renowned Hollywood screenwriter Scott Z. Burns returns to the stage with this bold and chilling play that asks us to examine our relationship to the truth and the lies that claim to heal us. NAOMI BUNCH: (voicemail) Rebecca, it’s mom. My Mom, Greg's Mom and Josh's Sweet Dance Moves! 's Depiction of Mental Illness Has Meant to Me This Season. SANDY: The — the question, though, of like, you know, love makes us crazy — it is — like, it is a big one. And it, you know — it's — it definitely is psychologically motivating, right, to be able — and, you know, because we live in the society that we do where, you know, like where people aren't really valued for their own sake, you know, in the sort of like super — and I think — I feel like it takes living in another country that isn't like that (laughs) for people to understand that that's not a ubiquitous idea, that you're only worth as much as you can give to society.
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